Re: fake flyers - you all need to read!

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Posted by THERAVECAVE ( on 09:30:54 07/November/10

In Reply to: Re: fake flyers - you all need to read! posted by Buzz

Nice point about the flyers infringing copyright and being worthless although having bought and sold flyers on Ebay for the last four years it has to be said that old rave flyers not only sell better that any other item I have attempted to sell on Ebay but the flyers have maintained their value, if not increased since I discovered the raveflyers website in 2006. I have just listed 300 original dance rave/tracks and I doubt I will sell more than 3 or 4 of them (for less than they were bought for)and have just listed a dozen or so old rave flyers and expect to sell 50% - take a look at how much some of the old northern soul records or flyers go for on Ebay (the only UK scene similar to the rave scene) - the prices are immense because of the memories associated with those involved in an emerging underground dance scene - the rave scene was and is so much bigger and global - my advice to any collector is that flyers will only increase and therefore are an excellent investment. A lot of flyers I sell DO contain ORIGINAL artwork and images will always be copied/used/reproduced to sell products - I think your comments are not as well informed as you like to suggest - I buy a lot of original art and my wife is an artist and buying art for profit is a much more risky proposition especially if you dont have money to burn. Your comments seem to be influenced so not sure what your point is or even why you seem so interested as I dont recognise you as someone who collects flyers or who has bought from me in the past!

My point is that for those who are serious about collecting flyers what they dont want is some IDIOT conning people by selling flyers advertised as originals (IE issued at the time of the rave) when they have been reproduced recently in a bid to defraud and it is especially galling when that person has built up relationships with the buyers of the fake flyers over a period of time and then has deliberately abused that trust for personal gain - how do other people feel about this?

: : : An interesting read & some nice info on there.
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: : : For me and I would imagine most serious flyer collectors (although I could be wrong) do not collect / buy original flyers for investment purposes. I collect because 'rave' culture paid an important part of my life. My dad was avid collector of football programs / stamps / first day covers etc etc.. so I guess I caught the collecting bug from him (although this only energed a couple of years back).
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: : : Do I want an original flyer, yes of course.. what would the point be of owning a copy.. the whole point for me about collecting is having the item that was produced at the time for that specfic event. Yes, they only cost a small amount to print at the time, but if they are now hard to obtain they are worth more to me as a collector because I want it and it will be worth as much as me or another bidder is willing to pay.
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: : : Your point about them all being fakes, well from an art point of view.. fair enough.. but I'm not so interested in the art, I'm interested in the flyer and what it represents. So a reprint of a flyer is well just a fake flyer..
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: : : Will my collection be worth anything in the future? I doubt it and don't care, but as I said, for me it has nothing to do with monetary worth.
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: : : I agree that if anyone is buying flyers for future investment they are almost certainly in the wrong game.
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: : I hear what your saying about a point in time and a part of your past and flyers representing that, i was just raising the issue that people should be aware a great majority of flyers are fakes in themselves and anyone collecting them should be aware that because many infringe copyright laws, there will never be a point in the future these flyers will have value - just sentimental value and people should'nt get carried away and just realise that this is the case, as ive never seen it mentioned on any flyer site this issue [unless people are unaware].
: I cant believe that anyone would think that the flyers thet they were collecting would be worth any serious amounts of money at all in the future and so collecting should be done just for collectings sake. I pesonally collect mine as i went to quite a lot of the nights on the flyers and like to see a full set and the fact that it isnt an original piece of art and has text of the night on mention or the DJ over the image is what i am after as it represents the night that i was there (or the night i had to miss) thus helping me remember the great nights of my youth (which is getting harder to do each week!) and i would never sell any of them for monetary gain as the memories are the most important thing and like was originally said they probably arent worth very much compared to cigarette or football cards but are a lot more personal. But you cant beat a complete set IMO. Thats what collecting is

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